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[Josiah]

I'll add Baccano! to my list, but I'm planning not to get into streaming anime until I finish all the stuff I've already bought or torrented. Which means: the rest of Sailor Moon (the last part of S, Super S, and Sailor Stars), Asura Cryin', Milky Holmes, Gokudo, and Raxephon.

[Metalheadz]

Hopping back at the Evangelion topic for a bit, I'll also say that Kaworu Nagisa (the white-haired angel) is an overrated character in my opinion. He had only twenty minutes of screen time in the entire series, yet lots of people praise him for being so amazing when he didn't even have enough time to show it. You'll often see him in plenty of favorite anime character lists, and he's placed somewhere on there. In fact, as much as I love the show, I hate to admit that there's so much bias in the world leaning towards Evangelion. Not by the fans, but plenty of magazines and corporations will always claim Evangelion's the "best anime ever" when there clearly isn't one.

[Josiah]

A lot of Eva's popularity comes from the fact that it was very groundbreaking when it first came out and that means there's a lot of nostalgia and rose tinted glasses that come into play when people think of it. If it had been released more recently, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

[SuzuTitor]

A lot of Eva's popularity comes from the fact that it was very groundbreaking when it first came out and that means there's a lot of nostalgia and rose tinted glasses that come into play when people think of it. If it had been released more recently, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

Except Madoka's popularity is pretty much the same. People call it the Evangelion of magical girls.

[Metalheadz]

Madoka? Are you sure? I do know it's really highly popular today, but Sailor Moon is the magical girl anime that revolutionized the genre and holds the larger fanbase up to date. Unlike Eva, Madoka's only been around about a year. Then again, I don't exactly pay attention to the magical girl genre outside Sailor Moon, so perhaps I'll watch Madoka so I can be a better judge at that.

[Silver]

You completely failed to understand the point of that post. Madoka is a deconstruction of the magical girl genre. What's Evangelion? A deconstruction of mecha. See how they're the same? Madoka broke all the rules that were set by previous magical girl series (Like... Sailor Moon) and that's why it's the Evangelion. Popularity has nothing to do with it.

It is overwhelmingly popular, though. Much more so than Sailor Moon is currently, if DVD and merchandise sales are any indication. Cardcaptor Sakura and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha are also much, much more popular than Sailor Moon than is currently... and probably more than it ever was.

[Josiah]

I don't think Sakura is all that popular these days, here or in Japan. But Nanoha and Madoka certainly are. Sailor Moon is a classic, sure, but while there's always people who like classics, their popularity is pretty much guarenteed to decrease significantly over time (with a handful of rare exceptions). Which is why, at present, Nanoha and Madoka are far more popular than Sailor Moon. And, several years from now, some new magical girl show will be more popular than all of them. That's just how things work.

As for Eva being a deconstruction... I never really thought of it that way but I suppose it was when you compare it to mech shows of the time. Compared to modern mech shows, not so much.

[Metalheadz]

Agreed with Josiah. Cardcaptor Sakura isn't as popular as you think it is. I'm not saying it wasn't a revolution of its time, because it was. I mean, how many people do you hear wherever you go talk about Cardcaptor Sakura? Madoka, I can believe, and I'm not denying that it's more popular than Sailor Moon right now. Something else might pop up in the future which will knock off Madoka as the most popular, possibly giving Sailor Moon the upper hand once again. However, your argument on Cardcaptor Sakura is only mere assumption. Its popularity faded over a decade ago like Sailor Moon has, we cannot deny that.

As for Madoka, with the convincing of another friend of mine, I decided I'll go ahead and watch it right now since my stuff for school is finished. As you three have your opinions on Evangelion, I will have my own on Madoka.

[Zoras]

don't hate me for saying this, (or laugh) but i'm staying with Sailor Moon.
I don't care, i love that show.

[Metalheadz]

Zoras, while I appreciate your support, we're not arguing between Sailor Moon, Madoka, and Cardcaptor Sakura. This isn't even the thread to argue that, it's only to talk about anime in general. Silver only pointed out that Cardcaptor Sakura was more popular than Sailor Moon "more than it ever was" and I only replied no. In no intention do I want to start a flame war.

[Zoras]

Zoras, while I appreciate your support, we're not arguing between Sailor Moon, Madoka, and Cardcaptor Sakura. This isn't even the thread to argue that, it's only to talk about anime in general. Silver only pointed out that Cardcaptor Sakura was more popular than Sailor Moon "more than it ever was" and I only replied no. In no intention do I want to start a flame war.

i wanted my opinion heard, and i said it.


cake?

[SuzuTitor]

A good way to get your opinion heard without derailing the topic is to say something on-topic, the shift it, or vice-versa.

Now back on topic, the only reason why I love Nanoha and Madoka so much was because they were completely different compared to other magical girl series. Nanoha is bit more of a mecha/shounen show, while Madoka is... something else. Because of how different they are, that's why they get so much discussion today. You don't here much talk about PreCure, now do you?

[Zoras]

I wasn't derailing the topic, jerk.

[Josiah]

You were slightly off topic in your original post, since we were talking about popularity and impact, not which show was best. But that wasn't a big deal and people wouldn't pointing it out to be mean. They just wanted to make sure that, if you wanted to join in, you knew exactly what the topic was. There's no reason to behave so rudely to someone who was being helpful and perfectly nice. Note that no one, especially Colly, said anything even remotely rude to you. If you can't speak civily, you should probably withdraw from this discussion now.

[Metalheadz]

Very uncalled for, Zoras. My apologies, Colly. While I was upset that Silver berated Sailor Moon a lot in his post, that's no reason to snap and call anybody a "jerk" for that matter.

Yeah, but I've stated my points on CCS right now. In no way do I find it more popular than both Sailor Moon or Madoka.